Movie Minisode - How Y'all Dune?

Lori 00:13

Hello, hello. Hello.

Amy 00:15

Hello. Hello.

Lori 00:17

We are here together to talk about the new film Dune (Amy: ooooh!). Maybe you've heard of it?

Amy 00:26

<whispers> Spiiiiiiiiiiice!

Lori 00:27

Haley, you are in charge of saying the director's name.

Haley 00:31

Denis Villeneuve.

Lori 00:33

Good job!

Haley 00:34

Yeah, he's Canadian, I believe French Canadian (Amy: He is!) He also directed Arrival and Blade Runner 2049. Man knows how to make a big world.

Amy 00:42

Uh huh. Good at that sci fi.

Haley 00:46

I unfortunately had to watch this on HBO Max because I couldn't wait.

Amy 00:49

Same. I watched it on a tiny screen with a bunch of people talking.

Haley 00:52

And I heard that in the theaters though, it was just so loud because of Hans Zimmer's score. Because he's the guy that did Interstellar, which was also very loud.

Lori 00:58

Oh, I didn't find that it was necessarily loud. But I sometimes was distracted by the music. I was like, really? This is the sound we're going with right now.

Haley 01:05

Did you like the space bagpipes? <laughter>

Lori 01:09

I definitely thought to myself in the year what was it 10,901 or something? I was like, so we're still doing the bagpipes. Okay!

Amy 01:19

If you could have a man named Duncan Idaho, but then I guess you can have some bagpipes.

Lori 01:23

Well, and in the vastness of space and in the desert, bagpipes will carry!

Haley 01:28

<laughs> Duncan Idaho. Paula New Mexico.

Amy 01:32

Paul, Jessica.

Haley 01:34

Just like our running joke with Kevan Lannister.

Amy 01:38

UNCLE Kevan.

Haley 01:40

Circe? Oh, no, no. Cersei? Yeah.

Amy 01:43

Yeah. It's like Daenerys Targaryen, I would like you to meet Kevan.

Lori 01:48

So I want to talk about shirts! We did a shirt giveaway. And we had people sign up. Thank you to everybody who signed up. And so we did a random number generator. And we decided to give away two, because we're very generous. And so we sent shirts with our logo on them to our nice friends Emmanuel and Juan, who are friends from Twitter. And Juan is a longtime listener, and Emmanuel is a new but very nice listener. So thank you both for listening. And thanks, everybody for listening and for entering the shirt giveaway. So we made a little online store on bonfire.com where you can buy shirts if you want to. They're priced just a little bit over cost, and the profit will be donated to the Women's Prison Book Project. So if you're interested in buying one, the website is bonfire.com/hugo-girl If you're interested in getting a shirt for yourself! And when did the shirt sign up, I had a couple questions in there to try to weed out the weird robots and people who enter every kind of giveaway and one of them was "Where did you hear about us?" And I would say like 10 out of 13 people heard about us from Hugos There so just want to say thank you to Seth from Hugos There for sending people our way and being a supportive nice podcast friend.

Amy 03:06

I'll just add, you know, you don't have to stop with yourself! If you want to buy a shirt, buy a shirt for your mom, or buy a shirt for your brother, or buy a shirt for your kid.

Haley 03:13

Or for your landlady!

Amy 03:16

Your landlady, or your tailor!

Lori 03:17

We don't have any trousers but I guess maybe we can make some Hugo Girl sweat pants or something and then you could get a shirt and trousers.

Amy 03:25

I just had the best merch idea. We make sweat pants and down the sides, it just says "notary public" or "shirt and trousers" <laughter>

Haley 03:33

Shirt AND trousers.

Amy 03:34

<shrieks> Oh!! Shirt AND trousers!

Lori 03:35

Yeah, that was the joke I was making, like an actual shirt and actual trousers.

Amy 03:42

Oh that went RIGHT over my head! <laughs>

Lori 03:43

Yeah, I was like why have we jumped to Notary Public pants? Kevin and I are both notaries public by trade so we could wear those truthfully.

Haley 03:53

I was thinking, other Hugo Girl merch I think about sometimes - stickers that say "Dune is very important to men."

Lori 04:00

Classic Hugo Girl. Oh yeah. If you haven't listened to our Dune episode, review of the book. It's a goodie.

Amy 04:08

This would pair well. This episode will pair well with that one. <laughter> This episode would be a little sidecar to that one.

Lori 04:14

Um, all right. Thanks for that diversion., everybody. Back to the movie?

Amy 04:19

Movie! Um, I think it was Lori that said recently, she's very tired of sun flare Chani.

Lori 04:27

Yeah! I just was like...DUDE! I mean, he's just, like, always the same view like there's her hair. She turns around, three quarter view, lens flare, rays of sunlight, and the bloody hand. And I was like, I get it. I get it. Oh, you really like her?

Amy 04:48

She's so pretty. She's so pretty

Haley 04:51

It's Zendaya.

Lori 04:52

She is so pretty and I will never forget what she looks like at this point.

Haley 04:57

The Dune Tiktok jokes are so good. People basically are just acting out various scenes and they'll put their earbuds into their nose. So it looks like a stillsuit <laughter> they're so good. You have to do it! Well, so like they also just use like the sound from the movie like that <sings> which is almost like the Survivor Theme Song. And the jokes are magnificent.

Amy 05:25

I'll have to check that out. I was a little upset by how often they had their stillsuit faces off. Their faces are just leaking moisture into the atmosphere and no one seems to care.

Haley 05:37

I thought about that a lot. I thought about all the head sweat, but I guess it wouldn't be like, as visually - because it's not like the stars, you know, they're not matinee idols.

Lori 05:43

Yeah. And they do wear full face masks, often. (Amy: Yes, true.) More than they do in the other versions

Amy 05:49

From the previews. I was really worried they never wore them. I was gonna be like, What is this nonsense?

Lori 05:55

Well, they're all very good-looking.

Amy 05:56

Frank Herbert would never!

Haley 05:57

Well also, even the way that they blouse the boots, there's gaps. This would be a self-contained environment, where they process the poop, in the butt pads or thighpads like we discussed last time.

Amy 06:08

I did like how they showed - so they were in the stilltent. That one point, I did like how they showed the water going through the wall.

Lori 06:14

Oh, yeah, that was neat. But when I was watching it, I was like, does anyone who hasn't read it know what's going on? And they explained it after. So I guess it was clarified. But yeah, I would have been very like, "what is happening."

Amy 06:25

I watched it with someone who had never read the book before. And she - her main takeaway was that she didn't know what Thufir Hawat did. And she did not know why someone was named Duncan Idaho. <laughter>

Haley 06:38

I had to go back and re-refresh myself on a lot from Dune. Thufir Hawat was great.

Lori 06:45

I was very surprised by the absence of the Mentats in the movie

Amy 06:49

I wonder if they're gonna get more time in the second one.

Lori 06:52

Plus, they couldn't do like a blow-by-blow because it was already very fucking long. So I mean, I understood, like you gotta to make cuts. And I think it was good that they cut out the whole, like, everyone's suspicious of Jessica, "is she the mole" because that takes up a lot of space. And also then it's just like, "oh, no. She's not." So I think that was probably a good choice. But it also cut out a lot of the Mentats.

Amy 07:17

I was thinking about that, too. I thought it would have been good to include at least the part where Duncan Idaho suspects her because I felt like that would have given his character a little more dimensionality. Because I feel like, a little bit like they tried to, they tried to set him up as like the warm father figure to what's-his-toes - Paul.

Haley 07:32

Four separate times, he runs up and hugs him.

Amy 07:34

RUNS up and hugs him. Although, if I saw Jason Momoa I would also run up and hug him.

Lori 07:42

I have seen Jason Momoa. Kevin and I walked by The Earl one night walking the dogs and he was out there on the sidewalk. And that was back when he was Khal Drogo. But I don't know, if I like...I knew who he was, but I was kind of like, "Oh, he's tall."

Amy 07:54

Like, Is he handsome, or is he just tall?

Lori 07:56

He IS handsome.

Amy 07:56

And tall.

Haley 07:57

He cannot act.

Amy 07:58

Ohhh, he cannot act!

Lori 07:58

I think he's primarily beard handsome.

Amy 08:02

Yes, true.

Lori 08:03

But he had a beard when I saw him. And I'm sort of mad at myself for like, not appreciating the moment I was having.

Amy 08:10

Do you know who's both beard handsome and not beard handsome?

Lori 08:12

Kevin!

Amy 08:13

Oscar Isaac. <all laugh>

Lori 08:16

Yes, that's correct.

Amy 08:18

But also Kevin.

Haley 08:19

Oh, oh! I read something really fascinating. So GQ, and we can put in the show notes. Um, Denis took like, 30 different shots from the movie - like stills. And then explained what was going on in it. Yeah, well, so it's just like screenshots. Fascinating. So they had to cut so much, obviously, it's a million page book. But one of the biggest parts of the book that they cut was all the talk about ecological preservation, which is weird that they cut it now when like, climate change is staring down the barrel at us.

Amy 08:49

I felt like they cut that, and they changed Liet Kynes' character enough that I felt like - I felt like that gutted a pretty important part of the book. But it wouldn't have played very well on the movie. So I get it, but I was a little upset by that.

Haley 09:02

Well, it'll be interesting, too. Because Liet is Chani's dad in the book.

Amy 09:05

I know. Now she's her aunt, I guess.

Haley 09:07

I guess!

Lori 09:07

Oh, I assumed she was her mom!

Amy 09:08

She said she got her chrysknife from her aunt. So I'm thinking that that'll end up being her. (Lori: Oh!) But that's an assumption.

Lori 09:17

I didn't think - I didn't even notice that. Hmm.

Haley 09:21

I don't know. I don't know any of the plot details in the movie. But that was very pretty. And even though - and if you recall the book episode, I do not like the book. But the world? Fantastic. And Denis Villeneuve made such a great movie out of it.

Amy 09:35

It is beautiful.

Lori 09:36

I liked the SHIPS a lot!

Amy 09:37

The ships were great!

Lori 09:39

The ornithopters? Is that what they're called? (Amy: Yes.) They were SO cool. I was so happy. I like how they're like, big dragonflies, with these very fast flappy wings. I thought they were so cool looking.

Amy 09:51

They were so cool.

Lori 09:51

And then like the action scenes were really cool too. One thing though, I did think, was because I'm so familiar with the story - that like the suspense was lost on me because I knew who's gonna die and who's not gonna die (Haley: Yeah, true). <Whispers> And who might come back from the dead? (Amy: Whoa) Um, but so there are these battle scenes that I sort of envied a person who was coming to it new. But then I also wondered if someone coming to it new would have any idea what's going on?

Haley 10:13

No.

Amy 10:13

I think the broad strokes were clear.

Lori 10:15

Yeah. I have no way of knowing. I just feel like I know the story too well, and so now I just couldn't tell you, but I enjoyed it, I thought was a good movie. I didn't get bored. And we saw it starting at like 8:45pm on school night.

Amy 10:28

I would've been asleep. (Haley: Yeah)

Lori 10:30

I didn't even get any candy or nothin from the - (Amy: Aww! Buddy.) I know. I know. I wanted to go back and get some m&ms. And then the movie started and I didn't want to miss anything. And I used my one break to go to the bathroom. And I don't like to go to the bathroom at the Plaza because it's like a historic theater and it feels haunted in there. <Haley laughs> And I am not kidding. I felt like someone tapped me on the shoulder when I was in there last week. It was scary.

Haley 10:53

Why didn't you tell anybody?

Lori 10:55

About the ghosts?

Haley 10:56

Yeah.

Lori 10:56

I told Kevin. I just wanted to tell you guys in person. But honestly, your reaction is underwhelming. Haley's just scolding me. <laughter>

Amy 11:03

I was just sitting there thinking, "well it's haunted, so of course, someone tapped you on the shoulder."

Haley 11:07

We all know that ghosts don't exist, but I'm sorry that you were scared. <laughter>

Amy 11:10

I was like, that checks out to me!

Lori 11:12

I was just washing my hands! And I felt a tap.

Amy 11:17

Oh!! I thought you felt the tap while you were ON the toilet. I was like, I don't understand...

Lori 11:21

I mean. A ghost, they don't need a certain amount of space. They just tap on your shoulder. But I feel like it was just having a little fun with me but didn't want to be too rude. That building is just so old. The bathroom is spooky. You have to know.

Amy 11:35

I agree!

Haley 11:36

So, I've been doing a lot of thinking about haunted houses lately, because I spent about two months watching spooky movies. So many parts of the earth are older than a house.

Lori 11:43

They're haunted too!

Amy 11:44

All of the earth, arguably, is older than every part of every house. <laughter>

Haley 11:48

Well exactly! So like why are there more ghosts not in houses than in houses?

Amy 11:52

Because that's - people live in houses?

Lori 11:54

Are there more ghosts in not-houses??

Haley 11:56

I don't know! I mean, there's no ghosts anywhere. <laughter> But like, but you'd think there'd be more ghosts outside than inside! And also, what draws the ghosts to stay within the four corners of anything? Something they can pass through anyway!

Lori 12:07

Well, the experience that they had within the building

Haley 12:10

I guess they're just tethered to it?

Amy 12:11

I guess you don't KNOW that a person has lived on every patch of ground, but people have definitely lived in houses.

Lori 12:16

Haley! Did you learn nothing from The Uninvited? When there's a traumatic experience in a building, it leaves an energetic negative impression that can look like a person and say things. But not a ghost.

Haley 12:30

Yeah, I've just been thinking a lot about my lack of ghostly experiences and it's just like, but every place is old.

Lori 12:37

That's true.

Amy 12:37

That's true. Every place IS old. That's true.

Lori 12:39

I mean, I think there are just certain circumstances where it's easier to notice them.

Haley 12:44

Yeah, I guess that's true.

Lori 12:45

That it's easier for them to get our attention.

Haley 12:47

I'd think there'd be a lot of ghosts on like highway medians. But there's not!

Amy 12:51

There are women walking down the highways and like flagging down cars for rides, and killing the drivers. Woman in White? Y'all obviously haven't watched Supernatural. You know where there's no ghosts? Dune.

Lori 13:04

Yeah, it doesn't seem like it. Frank Herbert definitely would have told us. <Haley laughs>

Amy 13:07

You wrap them up, and you put them in the in the thing, to get their juices out. And then they become little shriveled raisins I guess. I don't know. What happens to the bodies after you get the juices out of the body??

Amy 13:08

Oh my god. I am so interested in that. You guys have seen Tank Girl, right? (Haley: Mhm!)

Lori 13:22

Amy?

Amy 13:24

I don't think I've even seen it. I know that I've listened to the soundtrack a whole bunch.

Lori 13:27

Yeah, I know it's so good! It's post-apocalyptic, there's an evil company that controls water, and they have these thermos things with stabbers and knives and they stab it into you and it just <makes slurping sound> and it sucks up all your moisture and then there's a nice two-liter bottle of water, and then like a like a little <groans> puff of dust of desiccated person left. So I really kind of wanted to see what was left! <laughs>

Amy 13:54

Oh, it's like in The Three-Body Problem, when they would -

Haley 13:59

Oh, they would... unfurl? Or whatever?

Amy 14:01

Oh yeah.

Haley 14:02

Was it desiccate?

Lori 14:04

Rehydrate! Yeah. Maybe it is like that.

Amy 14:09

Maybe we'll see it part two. Maybe it'll show us a body getting juiced.

Haley 14:11

It was cool, when they stab somebody in a stillsuit and like instead of blood that'll come out, it'd be like fresh water. That was kind of cool.

Amy 14:16

Yeah. Oh, that went right past me. I didn't see that!

Haley 14:20

Oh, I have - I made a little note. So stupid. I have the top three hottest looks of Dune. Look number one: we have Thufir Hawat's Sunbrella!

Amy 14:30

Heck yeah, his parasol!

Lori 14:33

I was so annoyed by it! The shadows of the structure of it were on his face! Like it was not blocking any sun at all.

Haley 14:42

It was just for fashion.

Amy 14:44

It was still real fly.

Lori 14:45

Purely an accessory.

Haley 14:47

Number two: we have Baron Harkonnen's couture extra-long trash bag, that he snakes out of.

Lori 14:52

Oh, I love it.

Haley 14:53

It was so good.

Amy 14:53

It was so good. His whole character design was amazing to me.

Haley 14:58

And then we have - we might have to cut this, but I think it's funny. <laughter> Paul, size zero, Forever 21 stillsuit.

Amy 15:05

Why do we have to cut that??

Haley 15:07

Because he's so skinny, but I don't know. We shouldn't talk about bodies right? I don't know.

Lori 15:11

I think it's okay. You're not saying anything bad about him. It's purely an observation.

Haley 15:15

He just - he was a tiny, tiny man. And it's like, cinched at the waist, and it's just sooo skinny!

Lori 15:21

Oh, I almost started laughing out loud when he was walking along the coast on Caladan, because I think that was one of the first stills that came out from Dune, and I was like, "LOOK at that waistline! The coat is beautiful."

Amy 15:34

He is snatched.

Haley 15:34

Hugo Boss did a good job.

Amy 15:36

Did y'all notice that at one point Jessica looks up at Paul, and says - something happens, and she looks up at Paul, and she goes "That was insane!"

Lori 15:43

YES! It was very jarring!

Amy 15:46

And to me it sounded so weird!

Haley 15:47

Like saying LOL!

Amy 15:47

Yes! It was so strange. There was another one of those. too. Somebody, I think it might have even been her, also said something else at one point that was just - THAT sounds really 2021 to me!

Lori 15:55

I completely agree with you.

Haley 15:58

I was saying this a lot to my cat: "use the voice!"

Amy 16:03

Did you like the way they did the voice? I

Lori 16:04

I think so, yeah.

Haley 16:05

It was cool, yeah.

Amy 16:05

I couldn't decide!

Lori 16:05

I was struggling to think of, what would be a way that wouldn't be a little campy? And I didn't know, so I thought it was fine. (Amy: yeah).

Haley 16:11

What was really weird, was the Sardaukar army, when they're training on their rain planet, and it's like the throat singing? That was very creepy.

Amy 16:19

Oh, yeah.

Haley 16:20

The upside down crucifixion.

Amy 16:21

That was good.

Lori 16:22

Oh, god, that must have been when I got tapped on the shoulder by the ghost in the bathroom.

Amy 16:26

I mean, every shot in this movie looked like a painting. I frickin loved it.

Haley 16:29

I could - I could just watch it. It was just gorgeous.

Lori 16:32

I do want to know why Baron Harkonnen's gown is so long. He reminded me of Voldemort when he would rise up. And I thought presumably, I mean we've seen him stand sometimes, and I thought, if he's just standing on the floor even if he's supported by his suspensors, his dress is like double his height!

Amy 16:52

Was that his bathing gown? Or was he always wearing that?

Lori 16:56

He lifted up from a conference table in a dress that was twice his length.

Haley 17:00

And he had red things, like along his spine?

Lori 17:02

Those were his suspensors! He uses the suspensor system to like hold him up. He's got like his own little anti gravity thing. And I couldn't ever really picture what it looked like in the books and in my head. It was almost like a marionette or like a lawn chair. That was like attached - just it looked goofy and I really liked how they interpreted it (Amy: a lawn chair??) I thought - I thought it was like, you know, like a metal frame structure. And I thought it looked so cool. I thought they did a really good job with that (Amy: Yeah, agreed.) I have a Soap Stuff. (Amy: Awesome.) Dr. Yueh doing the whole tooth exchange thing in the hall while the Harkonnen henchmen were like running by like half a castle block away was so funny. And I never thought - like whenever I read it, I was like, "Yeah, okay, put a poison tooth in his mouth!" Like that's fine. It never was something that was like ridiculous to me. Because you know, like the whole spy idea of a poison tooth is a thing, you know, that's like a trope or whatever. Maybe it's a real thing, I dunno.

Haley 18:00

It's more for suicide than like to hurt other people as well.

Lori 18:03

Right. But, I got it in the book. And then when I saw Dr. Yueh, like crouched down holding this fake tooth, and he's like, "I'm about to pull your tooth out, and put a poison one in!" I almost started laughing out loud. I was like, holy moly. That is Days of Our Lives.

Amy 18:19

Couldn't you just put a little cap on it or something? Why's it gotta be a whole-ass tooth?

Lori 18:22

The WHOLE tooth. Your whole root and everything has to come out. So funny to me. I thought that was just like, I had to - I was struggling not to start laughing.

Amy 18:31

I think that one immediately passed me, because the very next scene was -

Lori 18:35

Topless Oscar Isaac?? And if you were me, you were like, "I feel like I shouldn't appreciate his beauty while he's immobilized and being tortured."

Amy 18:45

I was respectfully looking.

Lori 18:47

I felt like it was impolite of me to be like, "Heavens, what a good looking man" with or without a beard. And his beard is glorious in that movie.

Amy 18:56

It's glorious!

Lori 18:57

It is salty. It is peppery. It is well-seasoned.

Amy 19:00

Oscar Isaac, patriarch.

Haley 19:01

That's Leto Atreides.

Amy 19:04

A patriarch, you know.

Haley 19:07

I was just completely stunned by Lady Jessica in every scene.

Amy 19:10

She's so beautiful.

Lori 19:12

She really carried the movie.

Haley 19:13

And like, vulnerable.

Amy 19:14

Yeah, she's amazing. That whole scene where young Paul is facing the gom jabbar, and she's outside and just falling apart.

Haley 19:25

I do wish they would have - like, there's one part of the scene where he says "I should have married you" - like, I wish they had gotten a little bit more into the relationship.

Amy 19:30

Oh, that was the person who hadn't read it. That was one other questions she had. She doesn't understand the relationship between the Bene Gesserit woman and the Duke, like she doesn't understand how she got there or anything.

Lori 19:39

I wonder if they'll elaborate on it in part two, since she will be having the baby presumably. So there may be more exploration.

Haley 19:45

They're also making a whole series about the Bene Gesserit, which I'm very excited.

Amy 19:49

I know! A TV show series, right? What's it going to be on?

Haley 19:51

I think - one of them

Amy 19:52

One of them's.

Lori 19:54

Isn't it called The Bene Gesserit?

Amy 19:56

Something like that.

Haley 19:57

Bene and the Gesserits.

Amy 19:58

The Sisterhood or some very -

Lori 19:59

Yeah, it's got like a very concrete name. Also, though, Dune is a very concrete name, so I guess that is on theme.

Haley 20:06

I would name it...<laughs> Don't Arrakis and Tell. <laughter> (Lori: No!!!) It's gotta be a rom-com because it's about the Bene Gesserit!

Lori 20:18

They're like the Golden Girls. With powers.

Amy 20:20

I quit. I quit. I just quit the podcast.

Lori 20:23

Don't Arrakis and Tell. It's such a good joke. Did you just think of that now?

Haley 20:26

I just thought about that!

Lori 20:27

Ah!

Haley 20:28

This is all I do!

Amy 20:28

This is why she's a copywriter.

Haley 20:30

That's true. That's why they pay me. What else did I like about this? It was just, it was pleasant to watch.

Amy 20:39

Okay, better or, or worse than the David Lynch version?

Haley 20:44

I would say just different. So yeah. (Lori: yeah, same.) He managed to do this well without any camp, whereas the David Lynch one just didn't have enough money to do it on the scope that it deserves, I think. (Amy: Yeah.) So.

Lori 20:54

Kevin made a very good point that David Lynch's version has a pug and this version has no pug.

Haley 21:01

It also has Patrick Stewart. It also has a young Kyle McLachlan. I loved - the Holtzman shields are better, I think, cuz you look like Gumby when you're in the David Lynch one. And then when you're in the new one, you just look like you're a sci-fi guy.

Amy 21:02

It is not as good as a result.

Haley 21:06

I gotta say, I was a real real skeptical of Timothee Chalamet in this. Like, I was skeptical going in. But I thought he did a great job.

Haley 21:23

Yeah, he was fine.

Lori 21:24

I thought he was fine.

Amy 21:25

He walked a good line between brattiness of Paul and the, you know, the Muad'Dib bullcrap, you know, and that gom jabbar scene was REALLY good.

Haley 21:36

And Kyle McLachlan was way too old to pass for any of it. I mean, Timothee Chalamet's like, 24-25, but he looks like a child. Kyle McLachlan just looked like a man in his 20s.

Amy 21:45

He has parents that are roughly 17 years older than him.

Lori 21:47

I did hope that Paul would be a little more human in this movie. And I think he was not. But that's the character though. I mean, the character by the end of the movie is like, "Well, my baby died! But we'll make another one and give it the same name!" So like, I guess that would be like a significant departure from the source material. But at the beginning -

Haley 22:06

Oh I hope they DO depart from that, and make it just like a normal book.

Lori 22:08

So when he was sitting at the breakfast table with Jessica in like the very early part when they're still in Caladan. And she told him to use the voice to order her to hand him the glass of water. And he goes, "I just woke up." And I was like, oh, like, he's a teenage boy! But then he was immediately like, Book Paul. And he was, you know, just very aloof and lofty. But also, I don't know, he did just get like very, very traumatized. And also, that's the source material. So it's fine, <Amy laughs> but I just was like, hoping to connect with him a little more than I ever did reading the book.

Amy 22:40

I agree. I think he was a little bit lofty and cold. Like, you know, from the beginning. I do think there was a difference between how he was portrayed before and after the gom jabbar scene. (Lori: Yeah, for sure.) Like he definitely changes after that, which I thought was, that was part of the reason I ended up liking Timothee Chalamet.

Lori 22:57

Yeah, I mean, I don't think it's any fault of his that Paul is not different.

Amy 23:00

Yeah, it's just the source material.

Lori 23:02

They wrote it true to the book. I think this movie is very true to the book, and very well done. I just, you know, I want to like Paul more and he's just...He's not a BAD guy. He's just -

Haley 23:16

He's a very special boy.

Lori 23:17

Yeah. You know, something I will say too, like, that's a thing that I have complained about a lot recently where I'm just like, so over special teenagers.

Haley 23:26

Especially special white teenagers.

Lori 23:28

Well, yeah. Oh, I would say too, I think there's plenty of good stuff to read and listen to out there about representation in this movie. And you know, I don't want to like gloss it so I won't get into it. But there are definitely plenty of smart things to investigate in that conversation. And also, the one thing I want to say is Javier Bardem is wearing a whole lot of bronzer in this movie.

Haley 23:51

Oh is he?!

Lori 23:53

When I saw Stilgar I was like, "Wow, that looks like Javier Bardem." But I was like, but surely it's not.

Amy 23:59

Yeah. Where's the line??

Lori 24:00

Yeah, afterwards I said to Kevin, "Who played Stilgar? He's like "Javier Bardem." I was like, "You are kidding me." And then I Googled Javier Bardem, just to make sure.

Amy 24:08

He does NOT look like that.

Lori 24:09

I was like, there is a lot of bronzer on that man. And ahhhh, I'll just leave it at that, and say go listen to the thoughts of North African, Middle Eastern people about that.

Haley 24:25

I did try to just pretend that he was his character from No Country for Old Men.

Amy 24:31

A notably paler person!

Haley 24:33

Yeah. What did y'all think of the worms?

Amy 24:36

Buttholes!

Lori 24:37

Man, they just can't not look like a butthole!

Amy 24:38

They look like a butthole!

Lori 24:38

Even when they're the best-executed sandworm, it's a big, scary, FURRY, butthole.

Amy 24:44

Weirdly furry!

Haley 24:47

I think I want all Dune sandworms to be the sandworms from Beetlejuice.

Amy 24:51

Oh I want them to all be the sandworms from Tremors.

Haley 24:54

Even better.

Lori 24:54

From Beetlejuice is like what I always imagined. But the circular hole with like, baleen butthole hair is like - <laughter>

Haley 25:06

It made me want to read the copious discourse on sandworms that Frank Herbert wrote, I'm sure. But like, when it comes up, and just all of a sudden, the ground gives way, and they ate the big mining machine?

Amy 25:19

It looked cool!

Haley 25:20

But is it but is it gonna eat that?! (Amy: Yeah!) But does it get like, good stuff from it??

Amy 25:27

Who can say?

Haley 25:27

I feel like it's just eating a bunch of metal. I don't know.

Lori 25:30

Yeah, it can't be good for it. But I mean, goats eat tin cans and stuff. It's kind of that, scaled way way up.

Amy 25:36

But the rest of the time he's eating sand.

Haley 25:39

Does he get like energy from that though? That's what I didn't know. I need to know more about their exobiology.

Lori 25:43

If you need more sandworm lore, listen - I'm SURE that it is out there. I did enjoy seeing it. Like, it's hard for me to imagine the scale and the scope of how big they are. So I do like seeing that on the screen. And it's just like, Oh, cool.

Amy 25:59

I thought they did that really well.

Haley 26:00

I mean, this is the movie that this book deserves. It just made it so interesting.

Amy 26:05

And it's very clear that Denis was really in love with the source material. He clearly loved it and wanted to do justice by it. I thought that was great.

Haley 26:11

He likes - Oh! I love the traveling space thing that - like, the big pencil eraser. That's what all the the little ships -

Amy 26:19

Oh, when all the tiny little ships come out?! That's what I was watching. Someone was like, what are those? And I was like "THOSE ARE SHIPS! They're so cool!" When they travel, there's that big, round white thing that the tiny little ships come out of.

Haley 26:31

It looks like a big ol' Rama, kinda.

Lori 26:32

Maybe that's when I was in the bathroom getting poked by the ghost. Or I just forgot because it was really long.

Amy 26:42

It wasn't a huge thing.

Haley 26:43

It's not a huge plot point. But I just like spaceships.

Amy 26:46

It looked cool. Did y'all see Josh Brolin run? He runs funny.

Lori 26:52

Is that Gurney Halleck?

Amy 26:53

Yeah, yeah.

Lori 26:54

I didn't notice.

Amy 26:55

He runs funny.

Lori 26:56

I also run funny.

Amy 26:59

But he's supposed to be leading these men into battle. And he's like...I don't know.

Haley 27:02

My mom texted me after she watched it,and she had a lot of questions. And several times she asked me, "but what IS spice?"

Lori 27:09

Cinnamon?

Haley 27:09

Yeah, so I said it's like cinnamon and LSD.

Lori 27:11

Hallucinogenic cinnamon.

Amy 27:13

I like to think of it as, cinnamon had a baby with cumin.

Haley 27:16

But with like some psychoactive stuff. Yeah, so almost all of the campiness was gone. Like people weren't just whispering "the spice is life" constantly, "the spice melange" - like it was just very serious.

Amy 27:28

Did they ever say the word "melange?"

Haley 27:29

Not that I remember.

Amy 27:30

Oh, interesting.

Haley 27:33

it was just so well done.

Amy 27:35

Alright, that's about all I got. (Lori: Me too.) Go see the movie. Read the book. Yeah, read, rate, review -

Haley 27:40

Just see the movie and read the Wikipedia.

Lori 27:42

Or do whatever you want!

Amy 27:45

Live your life. Just go live your life.

Lori 27:47

Do whatever you want. Okay, bye!

Amy 27:50

Bye!

Haley 27:50

Bye.